Wow what fun debate. I just want to ask a couple of questions. How much is the federal and states deficits combined, what does fully funded mean, what do the working people do for a living, who defines what public means, and how does someone know that people don't know without talking to them, and last but not least where has socialism worked in the past? I'm not trying to be confrontational, just trying to understand who gets to be the defining agent for subjective terms.
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Great questions Bruce!
I appreciate you asking me and keeping me on my toes and accountable for what I write... this is just as it should be in a democracy.
The "deficits" are so enormous--- probably much more than any of us knows given this rotten and corrupt government which has become accustomed to perverting democracy by conducting business behind our backs--- the tremendous interest (the interest we pay if their profit) paid to the bankers is going to push our entire country into bankruptcy just like these high interest rates are forcing people into foreclosure on their homes. The solution? Nationalize the entire banking industry and bring it under public ownership by creating a stable national bank just like the State Bank of North Dakota.
Yes, add the State Bank of North Dakota to my previous list of public institutions.
"Fully funded" means, when it comes to healthcare services like VA, Indian Health Service and the National Public Health Service, this fully funded means that the government MUST provide whatever funding and resources are required to meet the goals and objectives of these programs... it means the same thing for any other public program.
"Public" means for people in general and members of a community of people. Public programs are programs universally available to everyone without regard to any income requirements, etc.
As I stated Bruce--- socialism has worked just fine in our own country for a very long time as evidenced by the public programs I have cited... we just need to extend public programs to include all the closed mines, mills and factories and claim as public enterprises the banking, insurance and auto industries which tax-payers have subsidized to the hilt.
Did you know that tax-payers have a greater investment in both the mining and forestry industries in Minnesota than all the private for-profit businesses and corporations in those industries combined, yet we--- the tax-payers--- are not getting our fair share of the profits like the Wall Street coupon clippers?
I don't understand what you mean when you say, "What do working people do?" Could you explain further what you are getting at here?
As far as your question as to how I know what others know; I assume, and please correct me if I am wrong, you mean people who carry signs denouncing Obama as a socialist or charging that the recent healthcare legislation is socialist do not know what socialism is.
Obama is not a socialist, communist or Marxist because he says he is not. In fact, Obama has written enough things proving he is nothing but a shill for Wall Street.
At some point in his life was he a socialist, communist or Marxist? I don't know.There seems to be ample evidence that he was... but, don't forget, so were many other people and people have a right to change in their thinking.
For sure Obama is no socialist, communist or Marxist now... just read the essay he wrote in "Foreign Affairs Magazine," the publication reflecting the views of the Council on Foreign Relations, representing the largest corporations.
Obama has been chosen by Wall Street to carry out big-businesses agenda of driving down the standard of living of the working class while at the same time making profits from the problems of the people and our country which big-business created in the first place.
Common sense tells us that jobs can not be shipped off wholesale to cheap labor markers overseas and we still have the purchasing power to maintain any kind of economy that benefits most people here in our own country.
Obama and Wall Street are our enemies but not because they are socialists, communists, Marxists, liberals or progressives; but, because they are capitalists whose system has grown into its most corrupt, barbaric and decadent stage: imperialism which has spawned an equally and as thoroughly corrupt government of state monopoly capitalism which has created a massive web that we are all stuck in as these parasites suck us dry... I should know that Obama is no socialist, communist or Marxist because I am a Marxist who is working for socialism through being a member of the Communist Party.
We Communist are for ending Obama's dirty wars and we are for using the money and resources save for building a socialized--- public--- healthcare system with no-fees/no-premiums, comprehensive, all-inclusive, pre-natal to grave, universal healthcare system that is publicly funded, publicly administered with public delivery of healthcare. Such a public healthcare system would create almost ten-million jobs.
No one would expect private delivery of education to be able to teach 300-million people to read and write--- this is why we have public schools; so, why would anyone think that an archaic for-profit healthcare system would be able to provide the healthcare needs of the American people.
Bruce, the capitalist system is on the skids to oblivion and Barack Obama and the Wall Street crowd driven by sheer greed are now dragging us all down the dangerous, dark, bumpy road to perdition with no stops for any breathers in purgatory.
If you Tea Party people were telling the truth about Barack Obama and why he and Wall Street are our enemies this would be one thing; but, what you are doing is spreading outright lies about Barack Obama and slandering me and other socialist, communists and Marxists in the process.
Call Barack Obama a warmonger; call Barack Obama a shill for Wall Street; tell the truth about his health insurance legislation that it really is a health insurance industry bailout by unconstitutionally forcing millions of people to purchase health insurance from private health insurance corporations whose parent companies are going broke.
Bruce, the real Tea Party Patriots did not lie about who their enemy was or what the British monarchy represented; the real Tea Party Patriots of the American Revolution had the courage to stand up for freedom by telling the truth and they would have been thoroughly appalled by the racist, anti-worker, pro-war lies concocted by Dick Armey, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Ann Coulter and this Army of Hate and Lies fronting for hate-mongers like the John Birch Society.
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