An exchange of opinion on Obama and things associated with Obama…

Davidson,

First, where is there any "platform" for Progressives for Obama or your "Progressive America Rising?"

Second, you were "FOR" Obama no matter how you put it. No matter who would have run against Obama you were still for Obama... the facts speak for themselves.

Third, where is your list of where Obama has been right and where he has been wrong... such a list does not exist. In fact, with one exception Obama has been ALL wrong on every single piece of legislation--- you simply can't pick out a few "good" points in a piece of overwhelmingly bad legislation and call this "good" for the simple reason that on a class basis considering the problems of working people the bad far outweighs anything good--- the health care legislation is a case in point; and Obama's support for the wars is enough to outweigh even the one good thing he supported.

I have spoken out more vigorously and at more places where it matters when ever racists have attacked Obama and you are well aware of my record on this since from well before the Election you were receiving e-mails from me outlining my positions... including when I was an elected delegate to MNDFL State Conventions and as an elected member of the MN DFL State Central Committee.

As for the "red-baiting" of Obama I have taken great pains to explain why Obama should not be red-baited for the simple reason that he is no communist, socialist, progressive or even a liberal as you wrongly maintain that he is--- Obama is no liberal and never has been a liberal... not in the Illinois State Senate, not in the U.S. Senate and certainly not while campaigning for the presidency nor during his two years thus far as President.

In fact, Davidson, you talk about the struggle against racism yet you are too politically a coward to insist that Obama and his Administration enforce affirmative action in line with Executive Order #11246.

Yes, you asked people to vote for Obama; PLUS your "Progressives for Obama/Progressive America Rising" (one and the same organization with no other agenda than to support Obama and Democrats--- including thoroughly rotten and corrupt Democrats and Democrats pretending to be liberal, progressive and left who enter struggles late and withdraw from struggles early at every opportunity; but, you didn't simply "ask" people to vote for Obama... you demeaned, ridiculed and otherwise tried to badger and intimidate many people into silence every time they raised questions about Obama.

I still have the very nasty e-mail that you sent to me, attacking me, just because I suggested that liberals, progressives and the left should read Obama's own words as published in Foreign Affairs Magazine detailing his very thoroughly reaction neo-liberal Wall Street Agenda agenda, an article that you refused to distribute and circulate per my request to your e-mail list.  Again, for you not to have circulated and discussed this very important article written by Obama himself was completely dishonest.

"You"--- Progressives FOR Obama/Progressive America Rising" may not be married to Obama nor going steady with Obama; but, you are certainly in bed with him and his policies none-the-less.

Alan L. Maki
58891 County Road 13
Warroad, Minnesota 56763
Phone: 218-386-2432
Check out my blog:
http://thepodunkblog.blogspot.com/
--- On Sun, 11/14/10, Carl Davidson <carld717@aol.com> wrote:

From: Carl Davidson <carld717@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [Out_Of_The_Frying_Pan] Re: [progressivesforobama] Van Jones on Setting Aside Despair: Time for Us to Get Serious About Ourselves
To: "Alan Maki" <maki_alan@yahoo.com>
Date: Sunday, November 14, 2010, 7:34 PM

The election is over for two years now, Maki. We were FOR Obama over McCain, and warned people from day one that he was a liberal speaking to the center, not a man of the left. We've been 'Progressive America Rising' for some time. Still, we support him where he's right, oppose him where he's wrong, and unlike you, defend him against the racist attack to demonize and red-bait him from the far right. Just because we asked people to vote for him, it's not like we're married to him or even going steady. We've had our own platform from day one, too.

It was dishonest of you to portray Barack Obama as a "liberal;" he is not a liberal.

On 11/14/2010 2:07 PM, Alan Maki wrote:

There have been many rebuttals to Carl Davidson; the Progressives for Obama do not tolerate any debate or even discussion.

As for Davidson not being a supporter of Barack Obama... Come on... give us all a break. The name of his organization is:

Progressives For Obama.

That little three-letter word "for" must mean something.
Alan L. Maki
58891 County Road 13
Warroad, Minnesota 56763
Phone: 218-386-2432
Check out my blog:
http://thepodunkblog.blogspot.com/
--- On Sat, 11/13/10, Mailie La Zarr <gzarr@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

From: Mailie La Zarr <gzarr@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [Out_Of_The_Frying_Pan] Re: [progressivesforobama] Van Jones on Setting Aside Despair: Time for Us to Get Serious About Ourselves
To: Out_Of_The_Frying_Pan@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, November 13, 2010, 1:18 AM

I keep an open mind to what Socialists have to say and I enjoy

hearing their opinions. I'm not a Capitalist. I'm not a Socialist either.

To the hard core Socialists, I suppose that makes me an enemy

or part of the problem. 

The thing is, Carl sees his support and work on behalf of the Democrats to be a way

to advance Socialism .... eventually. I suppose people like him are the reason that the

rabid right-wingers claim that Obama is a Socialist, which, as any true Socialist will tell

you, is worse than incorrect. I would like to see a rebuttal to Carl's strategy really, from

Socialists who don't agree with his approach. I merely wanted to point out that there is

method to his madness and it isn't really that he believes in Obama. Or so his words

would indicate.

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--- On Fri, 11/12/10, Hector Lopez <lopez_hector_l@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
We do not need capitalism any more, We need socialism very bad. And I am not a Marxist, but I sympathize with it. To be a  Marxist you have to be super brain. it is very difficult to understand it. Try reading Das Capital and you will see what I mean.
Hector